VLC Media Player crashes with .avi files

Discussion in 'Video Hardware' started by SparkyGuy, Jun 26, 2009.

  1. On 28 Jun 2009 21:33:52 GMT, "John Varela" <>
    wrote:

    >On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 08:21:13 UTC, Martin Heffels
    ><> wrote:
    >
    >> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:45:41 -0700, Nadia Aqui <>
    >> wrote:
    >> [...]
    >> >I've had a iMac for four years I think maybe it's crashed 3 times. My
    >> >Windows box has crashed at lease once a month for 8 years. That's the
    >> >math I'm doing.

    >>
    >> Odd. I had the same in reverse :)
    >>
    >> -martin-

    >
    >You're not running Norton Antivirus on your Macs, are you?


    No, these were media computers, not connected to the internet or
    anything, so no AV.

    -m-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jun 29, 2009
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  2. On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:18:46 -0700, clw <> wrote:

    >the only thing I have had "crash" using OS X is an occasional
    >application. And, that can be remedied with a forced quit. I have not
    >had OS X itself crash necessitating a re-boot.
    >
    >Maybe I am just lucky.


    Or maybe I am just unlucky. I have FCP freeze frequently, and once in
    a while in such a bad state that the whole computer is frozen, which I
    consider to be a crash.

    -m-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jun 29, 2009
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  3. SparkyGuy

    Smarty Guest

    "Martin Heffels" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:18:46 -0700, clw <> wrote:
    >
    >>the only thing I have had "crash" using OS X is an occasional
    >>application. And, that can be remedied with a forced quit. I have not
    >>had OS X itself crash necessitating a re-boot.
    >>
    >>Maybe I am just lucky.

    >
    > Or maybe I am just unlucky. I have FCP freeze frequently, and once in
    > a while in such a bad state that the whole computer is frozen, which I
    > consider to be a crash.
    >
    > -m-



    Consider me amongst the unlucky ones also Martin, since I also found FCP to
    occasionally freeze, always run slowly, and generally add complexity to my
    workflow.
     
    Smarty, Jun 29, 2009
    #43
  4. On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:50:31 -0400, "Arny Krueger" <>
    wrote:

    >However, Windows 7 looks better. OTOH, they again changed the details of
    >audio device drivers, which were just changed massively for Vista. I don't
    >know what else they screwed up that way.


    Most of the Vista drivers should work. For instance the Nvidia drivers
    for Vista work, but the Windows 7 drivers are better. Obviously, this
    won't work for everything. Quite a lot of companis are mum when it
    comes to questions about Windows 7 driver development.

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jun 29, 2009
    #44
  5. On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:59:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger" <>
    wrote:

    >My Win7 test machine had a current Realtek audio interface. Not exactly
    >rare. It failed to play with one app, and record with another. Put it on the
    >shelf for a few weeks. Eventually something that worked showed up
    >automagically in Windows update.


    The latest version of the Realtek HD drivers, v227, supports Windows
    7. Did you try them?

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jun 29, 2009
    #45
  6. On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:48:53 -0400, "Arny Krueger" <>
    wrote:

    >Didn't exist at the time. The last ones I downloaded from RT appear to be
    >v223.
    >
    >The working drivers from MS seem to be very different than any I have
    >downloaded from RT.


    Yes. I think they are the basic drivers, without the mixer panel and
    all the advanced stuff.

    -m-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jun 29, 2009
    #46
  7. On 28 Jun 2009 21:43:45 GMT, "John Varela" <>
    wrote:

    >Did you see the hype and hysteria over that wrapper around DOS, Win
    >95?


    With DOS that was similar to the excitement of Apple II ;-)
    Win 95 opened up a whole new world cause it was way more advanced than
    Win 3.1 Yes, people where excited about that. Well, thing is, lots
    more people get excited about new Apple goodies than PC goodies, and
    if they are crazy enough to stand in a queue for 2 days, fine with me
    :) I won't be seen in such a queue, no matter what product would be
    released. I simply don't get it.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jun 29, 2009
    #47
  8. SparkyGuy

    J.J. O'Shea Guest

    On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:00:01 -0400, Arny Krueger wrote
    (in article <>):

    > "J.J. O'Shea" <> wrote in message
    > news:
    >
    >> The Dimension is non-operational, being used for scrap.
    >> The Optiplex is out of action due to a dead hard drive.
    >> (Gee, it's a Dell, it's got a dead drive, what a
    >> surprise.)

    >
    > The surprise is that you don't know that virtually all PC producers use
    > drives from a very short list of producers.
    >
    >
    >


    It's not the drive that's the problem, it's the Dell; Dell boxes, especially
    Optiplex GX machines, have poorly designed enclosures which often cause the
    hard drives to overheat. I've lost count of the number of dead hard drives
    I've replaced in Dell boxes over the years. It vastly outnumbers the dead
    drives in boxes built by other vendors, and in most cases the Dell was far
    younger than the other machines. Example: my beige G3 still has its original
    hard drive installed, 11 years later (and a newer, but still 9 years old,
    UltraSCSI drive parked in the slot intended for an Iomega Zip drive, and a
    newer, but still 8 years old, DVD burner replacing the CD drive). All the
    slots are full, the RAM is maxed, I've replaced the standard video card with
    the best card that would work... and still the G3 runs, without overheating,
    without killing internal components, and on the original power supply.
    Meanwhile the Optiplex is awaiting its _third_ drive (yes, it's already
    killed two...), and needs a new power supply, too. One machine was properly
    designed and built. One is a piece of crap. One is 11 years old. One is five
    years old. Anyone want to do the math on total cost of ownership?

    --
    email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
     
    J.J. O'Shea, Jun 29, 2009
    #48
  9. SparkyGuy

    J.J. O'Shea Guest

    On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:50:31 -0400, Arny Krueger wrote
    (in article <>):

    > "Martin Heffels" <> wrote in message
    > news:
    >> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:49:47 -0400, J.J. O'Shea
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Vista's not that bad. It's got a way to go before it
    >>> hits rock-bottom: Windows ME!

    >>
    >> It's up next in the rankings from ME ;-)

    >
    > Agreed.
    >
    > However, Windows 7 looks better. OTOH, they again changed the details of
    > audio device drivers, which were just changed massively for Vista. I don't
    > know what else they screwed up that way.
    >
    >


    They'd better not have changed the damn printer driver setup... again. I will
    be _truly_ pissed if I have to get new printers... again.

    --
    email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
     
    J.J. O'Shea, Jun 29, 2009
    #49
  10. SparkyGuy

    J.J. O'Shea Guest

    On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:27:12 -0400, Martin Heffels wrote
    (in article <>):

    > On 28 Jun 2009 21:43:45 GMT, "John Varela" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Did you see the hype and hysteria over that wrapper around DOS, Win
    >> 95?

    >
    > With DOS that was similar to the excitement of Apple II ;-)
    > Win 95 opened up a whole new world cause it was way more advanced than
    > Win 3.1 Yes, people where excited about that. Well, thing is, lots
    > more people get excited about new Apple goodies than PC goodies, and
    > if they are crazy enough to stand in a queue for 2 days, fine with me
    >> -) I won't be seen in such a queue, no matter what product would be

    > released. I simply don't get it.
    >
    > cheers
    >
    > -martin-


    I have never queued for any computer product and never will. I might go so
    far as to pre-order it over the Internet... but then I carry on working until
    it arrives. And I may wait until the next weekend to install it, depending on
    how much free time I have when it shows up. I pre-ordered Leopard, for
    example, and didn't get around to actually installing it for over a week
    'cause it arrived on a Friday and that particular weekend I had stuff I had
    to do, so it waited until the _next_ weekend.

    --
    email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
     
    J.J. O'Shea, Jun 29, 2009
    #50
  11. SparkyGuy

    John Varela Guest

    On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:49:47 UTC, J.J. O'Shea
    <> wrote:

    > Vista's not that bad. It's got a way to go before it hits rock-bottom:
    > Windows ME!


    Years ago I bought my wife a new, cheap HP computer with Me on it.
    She only used it for email and the web, and never had a problem.
    It's now in the basement used only occasionally as the hardwired
    connection to the wi-fi router. But I did use it with a SCSI card
    to run a Sony UY-S90 commercial scanner when I was converting my
    slides and APS cartridges. Never had a problem doing that either.

    The only knock is that I've never gotten it to integrate on the
    local network with our Macs so I had to use CD net to move the scans
    to the iMac.

    Our experience with WinMe may explain others' happy experience with
    Vista. It runs fine as long as you don't do much with it.

    --
    John Varela
    Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email
     
    John Varela, Jun 30, 2009
    #51
  12. SparkyGuy

    John Varela Guest

    On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:00:10 UTC, "Ken Maltby"
    <> wrote:

    > Really getting your money's worth for that Psych 101 course, aren't
    > you? Did they get to "kneejerk reaction", or were you absent that
    > day? All it took to "hijack" this thread about how the OP's Mac
    > crashes when trying to play .avi files with VLC Media Player, was
    > the following one sentence:
    >
    > "Crashes, but how is that so, you have a Mac, not a PC???"


    Still don't know the difference between an app crash and a system
    crash, do you?

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    John Varela
    Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email
     
    John Varela, Jun 30, 2009
    #52
  13. SparkyGuy

    John Varela Guest

    On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:27:12 UTC, Martin Heffels
    <> wrote:

    > On 28 Jun 2009 21:43:45 GMT, "John Varela" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Did you see the hype and hysteria over that wrapper around DOS, Win
    > >95?

    >
    > With DOS that was similar to the excitement of Apple II ;-)
    > Win 95 opened up a whole new world cause it was way more advanced than
    > Win 3.1 Yes, people where excited about that. Well, thing is, lots
    > more people get excited about new Apple goodies than PC goodies, and
    > if they are crazy enough to stand in a queue for 2 days, fine with me
    > :) I won't be seen in such a queue, no matter what product would be
    > released. I simply don't get it.


    We can agree on that.

    --
    John Varela
    Trade NEWlamps for OLDlamps for email
     
    John Varela, Jun 30, 2009
    #53
  14. SparkyGuy

    ushere Guest


    > Might the bottom line be that the OP can't watch his .avi files using
    > VLC on his Mac, (because of the crashing of the program); where as I
    > can watch all kinds of .avi files using VLC on my PC. (Without it
    > crashing in any fashion.)
    >
    > Ironic, isn't it considering the Apple Ads?
    >
    > Lol; Ken
    >

    or on any number of paid applications such as arcsoft theatre, cyberlink
    dvd, winavi, etc., not to mention a number of free apps like vlc.

    i have two mac's here, they're basically for testing web / video on, but
    i have to say that in comparison to the plethora of programs available
    on windows, they're a pretty limited affair - mind you they don't crash
    (often), but they're (relatively) slow, and cost more than i wanted to pay.

    and as for all you linux heads, i'd love to use linux - once they can
    sort their audio drivers out and can offer something other than a joke for
    video editing.
     
    ushere, Jun 30, 2009
    #54
  15. In article <>,
    "Ken Maltby" <> wrote:

    > "John Varela" <> wrote in message
    > news:dxizd0mOwXzR-pn2-ujj11hIMdrQX@localhost...
    > > On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:00:10 UTC, "Ken Maltby"
    > > <> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Really getting your money's worth for that Psych 101 course, aren't
    > >> you? Did they get to "kneejerk reaction", or were you absent that
    > >> day? All it took to "hijack" this thread about how the OP's Mac
    > >> crashes when trying to play .avi files with VLC Media Player, was
    > >> the following one sentence:
    > >>
    > >> "Crashes, but how is that so, you have a Mac, not a PC???"

    > >
    > > Still don't know the difference between an app crash and a system
    > > crash, do you?
    > >

    >
    >
    > Well, the difference certainly isn't in the use of the term "crash".
    >
    > Nor is the distinction made, for Apple's ad claims or the fanboy's
    > description of the Mac as being "crash free".
    >
    > UNIX and therefor the current Mac OS, handles application
    > failure better than Windows, but if the application crashes, that
    > is still a crash.
    >
    > So, is it that you are saying that your Mac doesn't crash, just
    > that some of the few programs that can run on it do?
    >
    > Might the bottom line be that the OP can't watch his .avi
    > files using VLC on his Mac, (because of the crashing of the
    > program); where as I can watch all kinds of .avi files using
    > VLC on my PC. (Without it crashing in any fashion.)
    >
    > Ironic, isn't it considering the Apple Ads?
    >
    > Lol;
    > Ken



    An application can fail or "crash" or "segfault" or core-dump (what's
    really happening if you look at ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter). You just
    restart the program. The OS keeps running.

    But it's not the same as Microsoft's BSOD. That's an OS kernel "panic".
    The system is down _hard_ and has to be reset or power-cycled. When
    MacOS X does this, it's usually because there's a hardware problem (bad
    RAM or flaky USB/Firewire connector.

    I've never had a problem with VLC not working on my system, except for
    the most recent builds which don't run on PPC. I can usually watch the
    video clip on VLC if the Quicktime player won't open or play it.

    --
    DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee...
    [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically by ignored]
     
    Michael Vilain, Jun 30, 2009
    #55
  16. On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:41:44 -0700, Michael Vilain
    <> wrote:

    >But it's not the same as Microsoft's BSOD. That's an OS kernel "panic".
    >The system is down _hard_ and has to be reset or power-cycled. When
    >MacOS X does this, it's usually because there's a hardware problem (bad
    >RAM or flaky USB/Firewire connector.


    That's the only thing in which OS-X excels for me.

    -m-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jun 30, 2009
    #56
  17. On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:49:06 -0500, "Ken Maltby"
    <> wrote:

    > You don't see a "Blue Screen Of Death" error page on a healthy PC.
    >I can't remember when I last saw one, they are quite rare now a days.
    >I don't think I ever saw one during normal operation. The only times
    >they used to appear were when working with prototype or bad
    >hardware and/or drivers.


    I had one the other day since aaaagggeeeessss when helping someone to
    install a DVB-T stick on Vista 64. Turned out to be the software
    (Hypermedia) which created a BSOD when exiting. When the stick was
    used in Windows Media Centre, all was good.

    > In fact, I'm sure not with any healthy PC
    >running Windows OS versions that would be contemporaneous with
    >the MacOS X. (But I don't do Vista, so you may see them again with
    >that now.)


    BSOD's are a seldom thing nowadays, but virus-threats are more of a
    worry for PC's.

    > I suspose I could start talking about "Permissions Issues" with the
    >Mac OS, but it was never my intent to argue the relative merits of the
    >various OS. The nature of a crash and the quality of the error handling
    >have no real bearing on my initial comment. (What some seem to
    >consider a flame.)


    Ahhhh, "Repair the Permissions". That's such a joke that one has to do
    that once in a while. The same kind of joke as being a good idea to
    reinstall Windows if you twiddle around lots with software.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jun 30, 2009
    #57
  18. SparkyGuy

    J.J. O'Shea Guest

    On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:49:06 -0400, Ken Maltby wrote
    (in article <>):

    >
    > "Michael Vilain" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> In article <>,
    >> "Ken Maltby" <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> "John Varela" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:dxizd0mOwXzR-pn2-ujj11hIMdrQX@localhost...
    >>>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:00:10 UTC, "Ken Maltby"
    >>>> <> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> Really getting your money's worth for that Psych 101 course, aren't
    >>>>> you? Did they get to "kneejerk reaction", or were you absent that
    >>>>> day? All it took to "hijack" this thread about how the OP's Mac
    >>>>> crashes when trying to play .avi files with VLC Media Player, was
    >>>>> the following one sentence:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "Crashes, but how is that so, you have a Mac, not a PC???"
    >>>>
    >>>> Still don't know the difference between an app crash and a system
    >>>> crash, do you?
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Well, the difference certainly isn't in the use of the term "crash".
    >>>
    >>> Nor is the distinction made, for Apple's ad claims or the fanboy's
    >>> description of the Mac as being "crash free".
    >>>
    >>> UNIX and therefor the current Mac OS, handles application
    >>> failure better than Windows, but if the application crashes, that
    >>> is still a crash.
    >>>
    >>> So, is it that you are saying that your Mac doesn't crash, just
    >>> that some of the few programs that can run on it do?
    >>>
    >>> Might the bottom line be that the OP can't watch his .avi
    >>> files using VLC on his Mac, (because of the crashing of the
    >>> program); where as I can watch all kinds of .avi files using
    >>> VLC on my PC. (Without it crashing in any fashion.)
    >>>
    >>> Ironic, isn't it considering the Apple Ads?
    >>>
    >>> Lol;
    >>> Ken

    >>
    >>
    >> An application can fail or "crash" or "segfault" or core-dump (what's
    >> really happening if you look at ~/Library/Logs/CrashReporter). You just
    >> restart the program. The OS keeps running.
    >>
    >> But it's not the same as Microsoft's BSOD. That's an OS kernel "panic".
    >> The system is down _hard_ and has to be reset or power-cycled. When
    >> MacOS X does this, it's usually because there's a hardware problem (bad
    >> RAM or flaky USB/Firewire connector.
    >>
    >> I've never had a problem with VLC not working on my system, except for
    >> the most recent builds which don't run on PPC. I can usually watch the
    >> video clip on VLC if the Quicktime player won't open or play it.
    >>

    >
    > You don't see a "Blue Screen Of Death" error page on a healthy PC.


    I see them all the time... on Dells. Usually when the hard drive has just
    died. "Boot volume unavailable" or some such message. It usually means that
    the hard drive is fried, time to get a new drive. At least if the drive is
    replaced the system gets past the BSOD and you can reinstall the OS, while
    the old drive shows as being dead if attached to another system.

    > I can't remember when I last saw one, they are quite rare now a days.


    You obviously don't work with Dell Optiplex GX series machines.

    > I don't think I ever saw one during normal operation. The only times
    > they used to appear were when working with prototype or bad
    > hardware and/or drivers. In fact, I'm sure not with any healthy PC
    > running Windows OS versions that would be contemporaneous with
    > the MacOS X. (But I don't do Vista, so you may see them again with
    > that now.)


    The Dells I see have NT4, W2K, and XP on them. Usually with paltry amounts
    (128 MB or less!) of RAM 'cause Accounting would rather pay me to
    troubleshoot problems which would not exist if they were running XP with at
    least 512 MB RAM. Idiots, but they pay their bills. (Yes, I'm serious about
    the NT4. Have you tried to find printer drivers for relatively new printers
    which will work in NT4?)

    >
    > I suspose I could start talking about "Permissions Issues" with the
    > Mac OS, but it was never my intent to argue the relative merits of the
    > various OS. The nature of a crash and the quality of the error handling
    > have no real bearing on my initial comment. (What some seem to
    > consider a flame.)
    >
    > Luck;
    > Ken
    >
    >
    >
    >




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    J.J. O'Shea, Jun 30, 2009
    #58
  19. In article <1j1yqs4.1taaeem40utw8N%>,
    (Mike Rosenberg) wrote:

    > J.J. O'Shea <> wrote:
    >
    > > As Macs don't have any serious malware infestations, the last major malware
    > > to be on the loose being back in 1998, Macs don't have AV packages which can
    > > crash the whole computer...

    >
    > Let's be fair - there _ARE_ Mac users who, for some reason, choose to
    > inflict Norton Antivirus for Macintosh on their machines, and that _can_
    > bring a Mac to its knees.


    Employer may require it. Corporate standards, you know.
     
    Walter Bushell, Jul 19, 2009
    #59
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