Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best That Will Work?

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  1. GOD

    GOD Guest

    I'm donating an older Dual 533 PowerPC G4 to a niece in grad school.
    However, the existing monitor, a Princeton EO90 19" CRT is too big for
    her tiny apartment, thus I need to get a LCD for it.

    Even better would be a combo TV/monitor for her, provided this can work
    with the video hardware of this Mac.

    The video card on this Mac is the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX.

    Guidance on what and where to buy would be much appreciated. I'm in
    the U.S.

    Thank you!

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    GOD, Mar 22, 2010
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  2. Re: Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best ThatWill Work?

    GOD wrote:
    > I'm donating an older Dual 533 PowerPC G4 to a niece in grad school.
    > However, the existing monitor, a Princeton EO90 19" CRT is too big for
    > her tiny apartment, thus I need to get a LCD for it.
    >
    > Even better would be a combo TV/monitor for her, provided this can work
    > with the video hardware of this Mac.
    >
    > The video card on this Mac is the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX.
    >
    > Guidance on what and where to buy would be much appreciated. I'm in
    > the U.S.


    Well, to begin with the last... )'m not that much home in the US stores
    so I can tell where or not where to buy. - But I can tell that with this
    graphics card the machine will be able to run as much as up to a 30"
    Apple Cinema display if you want to spend the money for it.:)

    This graphics card isnot the original card in the dual 533mhz G4. This
    card was first introduced along with the quickSilver 733mhz. There are
    two types - a 32mb and a 64mb of this card available on the Mac
    platform, and I'm most likely to think that your card is the 32mb
    version. I had the same card on my now sold QS dual 1,8ghz CPU upgraded,
    and it ran nicely and fast with my ViewSonic 28" VX2835WM in
    1920x1200@60hz standard, and so it does on my small Mirrored Drive Door
    (MDD) Dual 1ghz with the same card.

    So as said you can buy nearly everything for this computyer. But I will
    recommend not going higher than 22"-24" mainly because of prices on
    larger monitors.

    - HP: 20", 22", 24", 26"
    Good, fast and very usable for anything - also including gaming and
    watching TV and/or video/DVDs. HP is having rebates right now on their
    internet shop. Some of the models have built-in TV tuner, but I know
    nothing about the quality of these tuners.
    - Samsung: 20", 22", 24"
    Just as good as the HPs, but mostly a bit more expensive. The smallest
    with built-in TV tuner I know about is a 26", but this one is expensive,
    and setting up the TV tuner is rather complicated. I've borrowed their
    32" monitor with built-in TV tuner, and I didn't like it. It took me
    about a week to adjust it so it was usable...
    - ViewSonic: 21", 23", 27"
    About the monitors I've seen with the best color when not real
    professional monitors. At least the 27" model is also with built-in TV
    tuner.

    There are others both with and without built-in TV tuners, but these
    above are the ones that I know most about and trust through many years
    of use. Hope you can use this for something.

    Cheers, Erik Richard

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    Erik Richard Sørensen, Mar 22, 2010
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  3. GOD

    David Empson Guest

    GOD <> wrote:

    > I'm donating an older Dual 533 PowerPC G4 to a niece in grad school.
    > However, the existing monitor, a Princeton EO90 19" CRT is too big for
    > her tiny apartment, thus I need to get a LCD for it.
    >
    > Even better would be a combo TV/monitor for her, provided this can work
    > with the video hardware of this Mac.
    >
    > The video card on this Mac is the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX.


    According to MacTracker, the card should have ADC and VGA connectors.

    ADC is "Apple Display Connector", which is a proprietary Apple one based
    on DVI, but using a different connector shape and including additional
    signals (USB and power for the display). You aren't likely to find any
    non-Apple displays which plug directly into this.

    There were adapters to convert ADC to a standard DVI connector, which
    you can probably still get from somewhere. I was able to pick one up at
    a local Mac dealer three or four years ago but I haven't seen any since
    then. Somewhere like Other World Computing <http://www.macsales.com> is
    likely to stock them.

    If you can locate one of these adapters, the resulting DVI port is
    likely to produce a slightly better quality image than VGA (by avoiding
    a couple of D/A and A/D conversion stages).

    VGA and DVI should be compatible with any current computer monitor you
    want to try. Nearly everything I've seen in the last couple of years
    supports both of these as inputs.

    The maximum resolution of the GeForce2 MX is likely to be 1920x1200, but
    I don't know whether that specific card will work at other aspect
    ratios, such as 1920x1080 ("Full HD" for a modern TV).

    For a combined TV and computer display, the VGA port is likely to be
    easier to use - just look for a TV with a VGA input port and associated
    audio input for the computer.

    Most modern flatscreen TVs use HDMI, and you can get a DVI to HDMI
    adapter or cable, but daisy-chaining adapters starts to get messy. You
    would still need a separate audio cable, and the TV would have to
    support separate audio input with one HDMI port.

    An older TV with composite/S-Video/component inputs and no VGA input
    will be harder to deal with. Some kind of video converter would be
    needed.

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    David Empson
     
    David Empson, Mar 22, 2010
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  4. GOD

    David Empson Guest

    Erik Richard Sørensen <> wrote:

    > GOD wrote:
    > > I'm donating an older Dual 533 PowerPC G4 to a niece in grad school.
    > > However, the existing monitor, a Princeton EO90 19" CRT is too big for
    > > her tiny apartment, thus I need to get a LCD for it.
    > >
    > > Even better would be a combo TV/monitor for her, provided this can work
    > > with the video hardware of this Mac.
    > >
    > > The video card on this Mac is the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX.
    > >
    > > Guidance on what and where to buy would be much appreciated. I'm in
    > > the U.S.

    >
    > Well, to begin with the last... )'m not that much home in the US stores
    > so I can tell where or not where to buy. - But I can tell that with this
    > graphics card the machine will be able to run as much as up to a 30"
    > Apple Cinema display if you want to spend the money for it.:)
    >
    > This graphics card isnot the original card in the dual 533mhz G4. This
    > card was first introduced along with the quickSilver 733mhz.


    MacTracker lists the GeForce2 MX as one of the options for the PowerMac
    G4 "Digital Audio" series (which is what the OP is talking about). It
    may have even been the standard card for the dual 533 MHz model.

    The same card was available at least as an option for the PowerMac G4
    Cube.

    > There are two types - a 32mb and a 64mb of this card available on the Mac
    > platform, and I'm most likely to think that your card is the 32mb version.


    MacTracker says that the GeForce2 MX supplied with the Digital Audio
    series had 32 MB of VRAM.

    The 64 MB model (GeForce2 MX with TwinView) appeared as an option with
    the QuickSilver.

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    David Empson, Mar 22, 2010
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  5. Re: Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best ThatWill Work?

    AndMagicSwordToo wrote:
    > Erik Richard Sørensen <> writes:
    >> - ViewSonic: 21", 23", 27"
    >> About the monitors I've seen with the best color when not real
    >> professional monitors. At least the 27" model is also with built-in TV
    >> tuner.

    >
    > The ViewSonic here (21" wide screen) is very comfortable to
    > look at for extended periods. VGA and DVI inputs, and
    > actually fair built-in speakers (a bit light on the bass, as
    > they're rather small). As you said, it's not professional
    > monitors, but the color and sharpness, contrast and image
    > stability are great for normal use, as I've seen with other
    > ViewSonics as well. I'd definitely buy another. Not all
    > older systems support wide screen resolutions, however, so
    > I'd double check that an NVIDIA card would support the
    > resolution.


    I have two ViewSonic monitors - apart from the VX2835WM I also have a
    the a lot cheaper standard model - a 21,6" Q2161W (discontinued) which
    normally runs on my dual 1ghz MDD with the GForce 2MX/32mb in 1680x1050.
    - My other MDD - a 1,25ghz single - has a Radeon 9000Pro which says
    1680x1000 with the same ViewSonic. So my guess is that the newer 22"
    model also will run at the same resolution as the old one...

    Here are links to the two I was thinking of:
    VX2233WM (widescreen, 1080p full HD, up to 1920x1080 WUXGA)
    http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktop-monitors/lcd/x-series/vx2233wm.htm
    VX2433wm (widescreen, 1080p full HD, up to 1920×1080 WUXGA)
    http://www.viewsonic.com/products/desktop-monitors/lcd/x-series/vx2433wm.htm

    A note... - and - hopefully - not actual to the OP. The ViewSonic
    monitors are among the best I as a visually impaired ever have used! Not
    just the color management, but the update rate and refreshrate are so
    good that any kind of 'flickering' are totally gone when using the
    ZoomView enlargement system in OS X. Especially the 'WM' series are
    great in work and you can sit in front of these for hours without
    getting very much tired in the eyes. - The longest time was nearly 15
    hours with very few breaks when I was finishing a large translation. I
    wasn't tired in the eyes, but my back hurted.:)

    Cheers, Erik Richard

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    Erik Richard Sørensen, Mar 23, 2010
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  6. Re: Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best ThatWill Work?

    David Empson wrote:
    > GOD <> wrote:
    >> I'm donating an older Dual 533 PowerPC G4 to a niece in grad school.
    >> However, the existing monitor, a Princeton EO90 19" CRT is too big for
    >> her tiny apartment, thus I need to get a LCD for it.
    >>
    >> Even better would be a combo TV/monitor for her, provided this can work
    >> with the video hardware of this Mac.
    >>
    >> The video card on this Mac is the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX.

    >
    > According to MacTracker, the card should have ADC and VGA connectors.


    There are 2 versions of the GForce 2MX - one with ADC+VGA 32mb or 64mb
    and one with DVI+ADC 32mb or 64mb. I have had both versions, and the one
    I have now in my Dual 1ghz MDD is the 2MX/64mb DVI+ADC. - The smaller QS
    models were mostly delievered with the 2MX/32mb VGA+ADC

    > [...]
    > For a combined TV and computer display, the VGA port is likely to be
    > easier to use - just look for a TV with a VGA input port and associated
    > audio input for the computer.
    >
    > Most modern flatscreen TVs use HDMI, and you can get a DVI to HDMI
    > adapter or cable, but daisy-chaining adapters starts to get messy. You
    > would still need a separate audio cable, and the TV would have to
    > support separate audio input with one HDMI port.


    My 4 year old 32" Sharp flatpanel TV only has the VGA but with a
    resolution of 1680x1050, where most other flatpanel TVs at that time
    only had resolutions of 1360x768. The higher res + the fine adjustment
    was the main reason I as visually impaired bought the Sharp. I would
    also like to use it as my computer monitor, but it is 6 cms. too high to
    fit into the place with my writing table.:)

    Such a used Sharp in 26" version might be a solution. Can't remember the
    model number, but it was sold in 26", 32" and 37"...

    Cheers, Erik Richard

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    Erik Richard Sørensen, Mar 23, 2010
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  7. GOD

    Greg Buchner Guest

    In article <4ba7d8f5$0$4803$>,
    Erik Richard Sørensen <> wrote:

    > GOD wrote:
    > > I'm donating an older Dual 533 PowerPC G4 to a niece in grad school.
    > > However, the existing monitor, a Princeton EO90 19" CRT is too big for
    > > her tiny apartment, thus I need to get a LCD for it.
    > >
    > > Even better would be a combo TV/monitor for her, provided this can work
    > > with the video hardware of this Mac.
    > >
    > > The video card on this Mac is the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX.
    > >
    > > Guidance on what and where to buy would be much appreciated. I'm in
    > > the U.S.

    >
    > Well, to begin with the last... )'m not that much home in the US stores
    > so I can tell where or not where to buy. - But I can tell that with this
    > graphics card the machine will be able to run as much as up to a 30"
    > Apple Cinema display if you want to spend the money for it.:)


    Yes, but a 30" with that card would definitely be a waste of money. You
    wouldn't be able to drive it at it's native resolution. It requires a
    card with a dual-link DVI port (ATI made a version of the Radeon 9600
    that has dual-link). Without that, it'll only run at a lower resolution
    which is limited to 1280x800 I believe.

    > This graphics card isnot the original card in the dual 533mhz G4. This
    > card was first introduced along with the quickSilver 733mhz.


    Yes, it is an originally available card for the Digital Audio model.

    http://support.apple.com/kb/SP113

    Greg Buchner

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    Greg Buchner, Mar 23, 2010
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  8. GOD

    dorayme Guest

    In article <4ba7d8f5$0$4803$>,
    Erik Richard Sørensen <> wrote:

    >
    > GOD wrote:
    > > I'm donating an older Dual 533 PowerPC G4 to a niece in grad school.
    > > However, the existing monitor, a Princeton EO90 19" CRT is too big for
    > > her tiny apartment, thus I need to get a LCD for it.
    > >
    > > Even better would be a combo TV/monitor for her, provided this can work
    > > with the video hardware of this Mac.
    > >
    > > The video card on this Mac is the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX.
    > >
    > > Guidance on what and where to buy would be much appreciated. I'm in
    > > the U.S.

    >
    > Well, to begin with the last... )'m not that much home in the US stores
    > so I can tell where or not where to buy. - But I can tell that with this
    > graphics card the machine will be able to run as much as up to a 30"
    > Apple Cinema display if you want to spend the money for it.:)
    >
    > This graphics card isnot the original card in the dual 533mhz G4. This
    > card was first introduced along with the quickSilver 733mhz. There are
    > two types - a 32mb and a 64mb of this card available on the Mac
    > platform, and I'm most likely to think that your card is the 32mb
    > version. I had the same card on my now sold QS dual 1,8ghz CPU upgraded,
    > and it ran nicely and fast with my ViewSonic 28" VX2835WM in
    > 1920x1200@60hz standard, and so it does on my small Mirrored Drive Door
    > (MDD) Dual 1ghz with the same card.


    You sure Erik? It was because my QS 933 (2002 model) could not
    run a 24" 1920x1200 LCD on its NVIDIA GeForce4 MX that I went and
    bought another card. Not on it at the moment, (moving office),
    but that is my recall?

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    dorayme, Mar 23, 2010
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  9. GOD

    David Empson Guest

    dorayme <> wrote:

    > In article <4ba7d8f5$0$4803$>,
    > Erik Richard Sørensen <> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > GOD wrote:
    > > > I'm donating an older Dual 533 PowerPC G4 to a niece in grad school.
    > > > However, the existing monitor, a Princeton EO90 19" CRT is too big for
    > > > her tiny apartment, thus I need to get a LCD for it.
    > > >
    > > > Even better would be a combo TV/monitor for her, provided this can work
    > > > with the video hardware of this Mac.
    > > >
    > > > The video card on this Mac is the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX.
    > > >
    > > > Guidance on what and where to buy would be much appreciated. I'm in
    > > > the U.S.

    > >
    > > Well, to begin with the last... )'m not that much home in the US stores
    > > so I can tell where or not where to buy. - But I can tell that with this
    > > graphics card the machine will be able to run as much as up to a 30"
    > > Apple Cinema display if you want to spend the money for it.:)
    > >
    > > This graphics card isnot the original card in the dual 533mhz G4. This
    > > card was first introduced along with the quickSilver 733mhz. There are
    > > two types - a 32mb and a 64mb of this card available on the Mac
    > > platform, and I'm most likely to think that your card is the 32mb
    > > version. I had the same card on my now sold QS dual 1,8ghz CPU upgraded,
    > > and it ran nicely and fast with my ViewSonic 28" VX2835WM in
    > > 1920x1200@60hz standard, and so it does on my small Mirrored Drive Door
    > > (MDD) Dual 1ghz with the same card.

    >
    > You sure Erik? It was because my QS 933 (2002 model) could not
    > run a 24" 1920x1200 LCD on its NVIDIA GeForce4 MX that I went and
    > bought another card. Not on it at the moment, (moving office),
    > but that is my recall?


    I have a GeForce4 MX in my PowerMac G4 (QuickSilver 2002), and it is
    perfectly happy with my Dell 24" monitor at 1920x1200, via either VGA or
    DVI (using an ADC to DVI adapter).

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    David Empson, Mar 23, 2010
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  10. Re: Dual 533 MHz G4 Needs New LCD Monitor: Biggest and Best ThatWill Work?

    dorayme wrote:
    > Erik Richard Sørensen <> wrote:
    >> GOD wrote:
    >>> I'm donating an older Dual 533 PowerPC G4 to a niece in grad school.
    >>> However, the existing monitor, a Princeton EO90 19" CRT is too big for
    >>> her tiny apartment, thus I need to get a LCD for it.
    >>>
    >>> Even better would be a combo TV/monitor for her, provided this can work
    >>> with the video hardware of this Mac.
    >>>
    >>> The video card on this Mac is the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX.
    >>>
    >>> Guidance on what and where to buy would be much appreciated. I'm in
    >>> the U.S.

    >> Well, to begin with the last... )'m not that much home in the US stores
    >> so I can tell where or not where to buy. - But I can tell that with this
    >> graphics card the machine will be able to run as much as up to a 30"
    >> Apple Cinema display if you want to spend the money for it.:)
    >>
    >> This graphics card isnot the original card in the dual 533mhz G4. This
    >> card was first introduced along with the quickSilver 733mhz. There are
    >> two types - a 32mb and a 64mb of this card available on the Mac
    >> platform, and I'm most likely to think that your card is the 32mb
    >> version. I had the same card on my now sold QS dual 1,8ghz CPU upgraded,
    >> and it ran nicely and fast with my ViewSonic 28" VX2835WM in
    >> 1920x1200@60hz standard, and so it does on my small Mirrored Drive Door
    >> (MDD) Dual 1ghz with the same card.

    >
    > You sure Erik? It was because my QS 933 (2002 model) could not
    > run a 24" 1920x1200 LCD on its NVIDIA GeForce4 MX that I went and
    > bought another card. Not on it at the moment, (moving office),
    > but that is my recall?


    Yes, I am sure. It isn't that long ago that I sold the 'Monster QS'. At
    that time I had 2x QS both with the dual 1,8ghz upgrade. - One with a
    Radeon 9000Pro card and one with the 2MX/32mb card. Before i bought the
    28" ViewSonic I had an Acer 24". This 24" could only handle 1680x1050 on
    the 2MX card, but 1920x1200 on the 9000Pro. The 28" was connected via
    the HDMI connector and it was automatically set to 1920x1200 on both
    QS's. I didn't try it with the std. VGA connector. - The VX2835WM has
    strangely enough only a VGA + the HDMI...

    Cheers, Erik Richard

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    NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com
    OpenOffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
     
    Erik Richard Sørensen, Mar 23, 2010
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  11. GOD

    dorayme Guest

    In article <1jftys0.1l5odtg1tixoa4N%>,
    (David Empson) wrote:

    > dorayme <> wrote:
    >
    > > In article <4ba7d8f5$0$4803$>,
    > > Erik Richard Sørensen <> wrote:
    > >
    > > >
    > > > GOD wrote:
    > > > > I'm donating an older Dual 533 PowerPC G4 to a niece in grad school.
    > > > > However, the existing monitor, a Princeton EO90 19" CRT is too big for
    > > > > her tiny apartment, thus I need to get a LCD for it.
    > > > >
    > > > > Even better would be a combo TV/monitor for her, provided this can work
    > > > > with the video hardware of this Mac.
    > > > >
    > > > > The video card on this Mac is the NVIDIA GeForce2 MX.
    > > > >
    > > > > Guidance on what and where to buy would be much appreciated. I'm in
    > > > > the U.S.
    > > >
    > > > Well, to begin with the last... )'m not that much home in the US stores
    > > > so I can tell where or not where to buy. - But I can tell that with this
    > > > graphics card the machine will be able to run as much as up to a 30"
    > > > Apple Cinema display if you want to spend the money for it.:)
    > > >
    > > > This graphics card isnot the original card in the dual 533mhz G4. This
    > > > card was first introduced along with the quickSilver 733mhz. There are
    > > > two types - a 32mb and a 64mb of this card available on the Mac
    > > > platform, and I'm most likely to think that your card is the 32mb
    > > > version. I had the same card on my now sold QS dual 1,8ghz CPU upgraded,
    > > > and it ran nicely and fast with my ViewSonic 28" VX2835WM in
    > > > 1920x1200@60hz standard, and so it does on my small Mirrored Drive Door
    > > > (MDD) Dual 1ghz with the same card.

    > >
    > > You sure Erik? It was because my QS 933 (2002 model) could not
    > > run a 24" 1920x1200 LCD on its NVIDIA GeForce4 MX that I went and
    > > bought another card. Not on it at the moment, (moving office),
    > > but that is my recall?

    >
    > I have a GeForce4 MX in my PowerMac G4 (QuickSilver 2002), and it is
    > perfectly happy with my Dell 24" monitor at 1920x1200, via either VGA or
    > DVI (using an ADC to DVI adapter).


    So I wonder what trouble I had? I sent the Dell back rather than
    fit out my Mac and PC with cards that would handle the native
    resolution at that time. What I got in my trial was the 24" at
    1920x1200 (stretched). It looked awful.

    I have since got a better video card that can handle two screens
    as a single desktop and cope with the native res of each (like a
    19" Dell with something like 1280x... and an LG at 1920x1200.

    Dell E248WFP Entry 24 Widescreen Flat Panel Monitor x 1 unit (500
    bucks but cheap at the time. (I was not going to buy another
    quality monitor after the rather fabulous 700 buck 20" Dell broke
    after three years!

    The card I had (still have it somewhere!) was:

    Chipset Model:     GeForce4 MX
    Type:     Display
    Bus:      AGP
    VRAM (Total):     64 MB
    Vendor:   nVIDIA (0x10de)
    Revision ID:      0x00a2
    ROM Revision:     1091

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    dorayme
     
    dorayme, Mar 24, 2010
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