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Discussion in 'Graphics' started by Michael Siemon, Apr 14, 2010.

  1. In article <4bc4fa58$0$24394$>,
    Warren Oates <> wrote:

    > In article
    > <>,
    > Michael Siemon <> wrote:
    >
    > > I'm looking for some way of correcting "mis-leveled" video footage -- my
    > > perspective on the viewscreen was skewed, and the resulting image is
    > > "tilted". Rotations in multiples of 90 degrees are common (e.g.,
    > > built-in to iMovie). There are also "features" (e.g. in Final Cut
    > > Express) to animate an image by "rotating it" arbitrary amounts as a
    > > continuous visual "effect". Neither is what I want, and various google
    > > searches don't turn up anything.
    > >
    > > Are there plug-ins for Final Cut that would do this? Is there some
    > > reference on HD video file format, or more to the point, QuickTime .mov
    > > format, that would allow me to program an arbitrary translation (and
    > > subsequent crop to standard size) on this footage?
    > >
    > > Help!??!

    >
    > You can arbitrarily rotate clips in FCP. I haven't used it, but I've
    > played with it. Cropping of course is easy.


    Is that present in previous versions of FCP (FCP 6, for example?) I
    might be willing to shell out for a used copy of that, but the current
    purpose _really_ doesn't warrant an $800 or so software purchase.
     
    Michael Siemon, Apr 14, 2010
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  2. Michael Siemon

    Steve Hix Guest

    > > In article
    > > <>,
    > > Michael Siemon <> wrote:
    > >
    > > > I'm looking for some way of correcting "mis-leveled" video footage -- my
    > > > perspective on the viewscreen was skewed, and the resulting image is
    > > > "tilted". Rotations in multiples of 90 degrees are common (e.g.,
    > > > built-in to iMovie). There are also "features" (e.g. in Final Cut
    > > > Express) to animate an image by "rotating it" arbitrary amounts as a
    > > > continuous visual "effect". Neither is what I want, and various google
    > > > searches don't turn up anything.


    From a brief look at the FCE manual, while rotation permits
    continuous/multiple rotation, it doesn't look like it requires it.

    Did you try commanding just the amount of rotation you need, and leaving
    it at that?
     
    Steve Hix, Apr 14, 2010
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  3. Re: "!" (video rotation)

    In article <>,
    Steve Hix <> wrote:

    > > > In article
    > > > <>,
    > > > Michael Siemon <> wrote:
    > > >
    > > > > I'm looking for some way of correcting "mis-leveled" video footage --
    > > > > my
    > > > > perspective on the viewscreen was skewed, and the resulting image is
    > > > > "tilted". Rotations in multiples of 90 degrees are common (e.g.,
    > > > > built-in to iMovie). There are also "features" (e.g. in Final Cut
    > > > > Express) to animate an image by "rotating it" arbitrary amounts as a
    > > > > continuous visual "effect". Neither is what I want, and various google
    > > > > searches don't turn up anything.

    >
    > From a brief look at the FCE manual, while rotation permits
    > continuous/multiple rotation, it doesn't look like it requires it.
    >
    > Did you try commanding just the amount of rotation you need, and leaving
    > it at that?


    No (but I _will_ take another look...). _But_, the interface implies a
    total rotation amount (whether more or less than one full rotation), with
    a starting point and an ending point -- and the discussion (in connection
    with animations) strongly suggests that the rotation is divided amongst
    the frames in the selected interval of the timeline, starting at zero and
    ending with the full value specified. That _is_ what would be wanted in
    an animation sequence imposed on the footage. It is _not_ what I want.

    (BTW: apologies for having inadvertently [I'm not sure how...]
    overwriting the subject with a bare exclamation point.)
     
    Michael Siemon, Apr 14, 2010
    #3
  4. Michael Siemon

    Steve Hix Guest

    Re: "!" (video rotation)

    In article
    <>,
    Michael Siemon <> wrote:

    > In article <>,
    > Steve Hix <> wrote:
    >
    > > > > In article
    > > > > <>,
    > > > > Michael Siemon <> wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > > I'm looking for some way of correcting "mis-leveled" video footage --
    > > > > > my
    > > > > > perspective on the viewscreen was skewed, and the resulting image is
    > > > > > "tilted". Rotations in multiples of 90 degrees are common (e.g.,
    > > > > > built-in to iMovie). There are also "features" (e.g. in Final Cut
    > > > > > Express) to animate an image by "rotating it" arbitrary amounts as a
    > > > > > continuous visual "effect". Neither is what I want, and various
    > > > > > google
    > > > > > searches don't turn up anything.

    > >
    > > From a brief look at the FCE manual, while rotation permits
    > > continuous/multiple rotation, it doesn't look like it requires it.
    > >
    > > Did you try commanding just the amount of rotation you need, and leaving
    > > it at that?

    >
    > No (but I _will_ take another look...). _But_, the interface implies a
    > total rotation amount (whether more or less than one full rotation), with
    > a starting point and an ending point -- and the discussion (in connection
    > with animations) strongly suggests that the rotation is divided amongst
    > the frames in the selected interval of the timeline, starting at zero and
    > ending with the full value specified. That _is_ what would be wanted in
    > an animation sequence imposed on the footage. It is _not_ what I want.


    Start at frame 1 finish at frame 5. Heck start during a leader segment
    before the image displays.
     
    Steve Hix, Apr 14, 2010
    #4
  5. Re: "!" (video rotation)

    In article <>,
    Steve Hix <> wrote:

    > In article
    > <>,
    > Michael Siemon <> wrote:
    >
    > > In article <>,
    > > Steve Hix <> wrote:
    > >
    > > > > > In article
    > > > > > <>,
    > > > > > Michael Siemon <> wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > > I'm looking for some way of correcting "mis-leveled" video footage
    > > > > > > --
    > > > > > > my
    > > > > > > perspective on the viewscreen was skewed, and the resulting image
    > > > > > > is
    > > > > > > "tilted". Rotations in multiples of 90 degrees are common (e.g.,
    > > > > > > built-in to iMovie). There are also "features" (e.g. in Final Cut
    > > > > > > Express) to animate an image by "rotating it" arbitrary amounts as
    > > > > > > a
    > > > > > > continuous visual "effect". Neither is what I want, and various
    > > > > > > google
    > > > > > > searches don't turn up anything.
    > > >
    > > > From a brief look at the FCE manual, while rotation permits
    > > > continuous/multiple rotation, it doesn't look like it requires it.
    > > >
    > > > Did you try commanding just the amount of rotation you need, and leaving
    > > > it at that?

    > >
    > > No (but I _will_ take another look...). _But_, the interface implies a
    > > total rotation amount (whether more or less than one full rotation), with
    > > a starting point and an ending point -- and the discussion (in connection
    > > with animations) strongly suggests that the rotation is divided amongst
    > > the frames in the selected interval of the timeline, starting at zero and
    > > ending with the full value specified. That _is_ what would be wanted in
    > > an animation sequence imposed on the footage. It is _not_ what I want.

    >
    > Start at frame 1 finish at frame 5. Heck start during a leader segment
    > before the image displays.


    Ummm, I want to apply the rotation -- as a constant -- for about 20
    minutes. I'm rather unsure that you are thinking about any context
    remotely like the one at issue (for me). The f*ing camera was not
    properly aligned on the tripod (my fault, to be sure...). I want to
    correct for that. The remaining 2.5 hours of video footage for the
    event are fine, thank you very much.
     
    Michael Siemon, Apr 14, 2010
    #5
  6. Michael Siemon

    Warren Oates Guest

    Re: "!" (video rotation)

    In article
    <>,
    Michael Siemon <> wrote:

    > Ummm, I want to apply the rotation -- as a constant -- for about 20
    > minutes. I'm rather unsure that you are thinking about any context
    > remotely like the one at issue (for me). The f*ing camera was not
    > properly aligned on the tripod (my fault, to be sure...). I want to
    > correct for that. The remaining 2.5 hours of video footage for the
    > event are fine, thank you very much.


    I know what you mean.

    In article
    <>,
    Michael Siemon <> wrote:

    > Is that present in previous versions of FCP (FCP 6, for example?) I
    > might be willing to shell out for a used copy of that, but the current
    > purpose _really_ doesn't warrant an $800 or so software purchase.


    My version of FCP is at 5.1. 20 minutes isn't much. What's the format of
    the the material? Maybe you can find someone locally to load it into FCP
    and output a corrected version for you. I mean, it seems you just enable
    the wireframe and use your mouse to pull the corner down to where want
    it. There's probably some keystrokes for refining that.
    --
    Very old woody beets will never cook tender.
    -- Fannie Farmer
     
    Warren Oates, Apr 14, 2010
    #6
  7. Re: "!" (video rotation)

    In article <4bc63e1e$0$12569$>,
    Warren Oates <> wrote:

    > In article
    > <>,
    > Michael Siemon <> wrote:
    >
    > > Ummm, I want to apply the rotation -- as a constant -- for about 20
    > > minutes. I'm rather unsure that you are thinking about any context
    > > remotely like the one at issue (for me). The f*ing camera was not
    > > properly aligned on the tripod (my fault, to be sure...). I want to
    > > correct for that. The remaining 2.5 hours of video footage for the
    > > event are fine, thank you very much.

    >
    > I know what you mean.
    >
    > In article
    > <>,
    > Michael Siemon <> wrote:
    >
    > > Is that present in previous versions of FCP (FCP 6, for example?) I
    > > might be willing to shell out for a used copy of that, but the current
    > > purpose _really_ doesn't warrant an $800 or so software purchase.

    >
    > My version of FCP is at 5.1. 20 minutes isn't much. What's the format of
    > the the material? Maybe you can find someone locally to load it into FCP
    > and output a corrected version for you. I mean, it seems you just enable
    > the wireframe and use your mouse to pull the corner down to where want
    > it. There's probably some keystrokes for refining that.


    Thanks for the hint. I might see if I can pick up a used copy of that or
    FCP6 (still a bit pricey, but maybe worth it...) I'll also check around
    a bit, as you suggest.
     
    Michael Siemon, Apr 14, 2010
    #7
  8. Michael Siemon

    Steve Hix Guest

    Re: "!" (video rotation)

    In article
    <>,
    Michael Siemon <> wrote:

    > > >
    > > > No (but I _will_ take another look...). _But_, the interface implies a
    > > > total rotation amount (whether more or less than one full rotation), with
    > > > a starting point and an ending point -- and the discussion (in connection
    > > > with animations) strongly suggests that the rotation is divided amongst
    > > > the frames in the selected interval of the timeline, starting at zero and
    > > > ending with the full value specified. That _is_ what would be wanted in
    > > > an animation sequence imposed on the footage. It is _not_ what I want.

    > >
    > > Start at frame 1 finish at frame 5. Heck start during a leader segment
    > > before the image displays.

    >
    > Ummm, I want to apply the rotation -- as a constant -- for about 20
    > minutes. I'm rather unsure that you are thinking about any context
    > remotely like the one at issue (for me). The f*ing camera was not
    > properly aligned on the tripod (my fault, to be sure...). I want to
    > correct for that.


    So rotate the frame far enough to correct for the tilt.

    Then stop rotating.

    Is that clear enough for you?

    > The remaining 2.5 hours of video footage for the
    > event are fine, thank you very much.
     
    Steve Hix, Apr 15, 2010
    #8
  9. Michael Siemon

    Warren Oates Guest

    Re: "!" (video rotation)

    In article
    <>,
    Michael Siemon <> wrote:

    > Thanks for the hint. I might see if I can pick up a used copy of that or
    > FCP6 (still a bit pricey, but maybe worth it...) I'll also check around
    > a bit, as you suggest.


    Are you absolutely sure you can't do it in Express? It's a pretty basic
    motion effect. I don't have an FCE to play with.
    --
    Very old woody beets will never cook tender.
    -- Fannie Farmer
     
    Warren Oates, Apr 15, 2010
    #9
  10. Re: "!" (video rotation)

    In article <>,
    Steve Hix <> wrote:

    > In article
    > <>,
    > Michael Siemon <> wrote:
    >
    > > > >
    > > > > No (but I _will_ take another look...). _But_, the interface implies a
    > > > > total rotation amount (whether more or less than one full rotation),
    > > > > with
    > > > > a starting point and an ending point -- and the discussion (in
    > > > > connection
    > > > > with animations) strongly suggests that the rotation is divided amongst
    > > > > the frames in the selected interval of the timeline, starting at zero
    > > > > and
    > > > > ending with the full value specified. That _is_ what would be wanted in
    > > > > an animation sequence imposed on the footage. It is _not_ what I want.
    > > >
    > > > Start at frame 1 finish at frame 5. Heck start during a leader segment
    > > > before the image displays.

    > >
    > > Ummm, I want to apply the rotation -- as a constant -- for about 20
    > > minutes. I'm rather unsure that you are thinking about any context
    > > remotely like the one at issue (for me). The f*ing camera was not
    > > properly aligned on the tripod (my fault, to be sure...). I want to
    > > correct for that.

    >
    > So rotate the frame far enough to correct for the tilt.
    >
    > Then stop rotating.
    >
    > Is that clear enough for you?
    >
    > > The remaining 2.5 hours of video footage for the
    > > event are fine, thank you very much.


    Sorry for misunderstanding. What you suggest is, now, clear to me.
    I will indeed try it, though my impression on reading documentation
    about the feature seemed to imply that the effect would end at the
    end frame.
     
    Michael Siemon, Apr 15, 2010
    #10
  11. problem resolved... Re: "!" (video rotation)

    In article <4bc70066$0$19040$>,
    Warren Oates <> wrote:

    > In article
    > <>,
    > Michael Siemon <> wrote:
    >
    > > Thanks for the hint. I might see if I can pick up a used copy of that or
    > > FCP6 (still a bit pricey, but maybe worth it...) I'll also check around
    > > a bit, as you suggest.

    >
    > Are you absolutely sure you can't do it in Express? It's a pretty basic
    > motion effect. I don't have an FCE to play with.


    In fact, FCE does have the wireframe capabilities of FCP (the Wolsky book
    I was using to learn FCE doesn't mention this -- dammit -- but TFM does!)
    Thanks to both of you (Steve and Warren) for your assist.
     
    Michael Siemon, Apr 16, 2010
    #11
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