SuperDuper! vs. Carbon Copy Cloner

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  1. TaliesinSoft

    TaliesinSoft Guest

    SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    programs for the Macintosh. I'm curious as to what are considered to be
    the plusses and minusses of each. I say this as one who has been using
    SuperDuper! for quite a few years and as one who has no experience with
    Carbon Copy Cloner.

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    TaliesinSoft, Jan 29, 2011
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  2. TaliesinSoft

    Nick Naym Guest

    In article , TaliesinSoft at
    wrote on 1/28/11 9:42 PM:

    > SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    > programs for the Macintosh. I'm curious as to what are considered to be
    > the plusses and minusses of each. I say this as one who has been using
    > SuperDuper! for quite a few years and as one who has no experience with
    > Carbon Copy Cloner.


    I have no CCC experience. But the last time I looked it was free, and as a
    result, I got the impression that it wasn't supported as well as SD!. And my
    experience with SD! (Dave Nanian) is such that I wouldn't think of changing
    products: He's available seemingly around the clock, providing customer
    support that far surpasses that of almost any vendor I've had contact with
    over the years.


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    Nick Naym, Jan 29, 2011
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  3. TaliesinSoft

    shiva das Guest

    In article <>,
    TaliesinSoft <> wrote:

    > SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    > programs for the Macintosh. I'm curious as to what are considered to be
    > the plusses and minusses of each. I say this as one who has been using
    > SuperDuper! for quite a few years and as one who has no experience with
    > Carbon Copy Cloner.


    I'm the opposite. Never used anything but CCC, and that was because it
    was recommended by several people I know.

    Never had a reason to look elsewhere, never a hitch with CCC. I tend to
    be very hard on equipment, and what usually happens is that a macbook
    pro will find itself repeatedly dropping onto the floor. Then I yank the
    drive, put it in an enclosure, and clone it onto the replacement
    machine. Trouble-free (so far).
     
    shiva das, Jan 29, 2011
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  4. TaliesinSoft

    dorayme Guest

    In article <>,
    TaliesinSoft <> wrote:

    > SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    > programs for the Macintosh. I'm curious as to what are considered to be
    > the plusses and minusses of each. I say this as one who has been using
    > SuperDuper! for quite a few years and as one who has no experience with
    > Carbon Copy Cloner.


    I read a very detailed report of experimental tests of both, but
    years ago and SD came out best, especially because it was better
    at copying invisible files. But things might have changed?

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    dorayme, Jan 29, 2011
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  5. TaliesinSoft

    Király Guest

    TaliesinSoft <> wrote:
    > SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    > programs for the Macintosh. I'm curious as to what are considered to be
    > the plusses and minusses of each. I say this as one who has been using
    > SuperDuper! for quite a few years and as one who has no experience with
    > Carbon Copy Cloner.


    For copying whole disks, I find SD easier to use, and the customer
    support can't be beat. If I want to copy a disk but exclude some items,
    I use CCC. I was never able to figure out how to do that with SD. SD's
    whole "scripts" feature remains a mystery to me. With CCC it's a no
    brainer.

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    K.

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    Király, Jan 29, 2011
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  6. On 11-01-28 9:58 PM, Nick Naym wrote:

    > And my experience with SD! (Dave Nanian) is such that I wouldn't think of changing
    > products: He's available seemingly around the clock, providing customer
    > support that far surpasses that of almost any vendor I've had contact with
    > over the years.


    I have to completely agree. I can say nothing meaningful about CCC, but
    I am extremely happy with SuperDuper! and its support.

    Cheers,

    -j



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    Jeffrey Goldberg, Jan 29, 2011
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  7. TaliesinSoft

    Fred Moore Guest

    In article <>,
    Jeffrey Goldberg <> wrote:

    > On 11-01-28 9:58 PM, Nick Naym wrote:
    >
    > > And my experience with SD! (Dave Nanian) is such that I wouldn't think of
    > > changing
    > > products: He's available seemingly around the clock, providing customer
    > > support that far surpasses that of almost any vendor I've had contact with
    > > over the years.

    >
    > I have to completely agree. I can say nothing meaningful about CCC, but
    > I am extremely happy with SuperDuper! and its support.


    Agreed. SD! also has some extremely useful (to me and my clients anyway)
    scheduling/auto-execution options. This scheduling makes SD! sort of the
    poor man's Retrospect, and without Retrospect's learning curve. Last I
    looked (several years ago) CCC (still a great product) didn't have the
    scheduling options.
     
    Fred Moore, Jan 29, 2011
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  8. TaliesinSoft

    Király Guest

    Fred Moore <> wrote:
    > Agreed. SD! also has some extremely useful (to me and my clients anyway)
    > scheduling/auto-execution options.


    I have never been able to use the scheduling options, because they
    require that the account running SD to be in the foreground, with screen
    lock turned off. I wrote to Dave asking if he was planning to fix that.
    He responded (in five minutes!) saying that it might be fixed in a
    future version. But that was quite a few years ago now.

    Despite that, the best $28 I ever spent on software was on SD.

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    Király, Jan 29, 2011
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  9. TaliesinSoft

    Lewis Guest

    In message <>
    TaliesinSoft <> wrote:
    > SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    > programs for the Macintosh.


    I'm sure thy are a distant second and third to Time Machine.

    > I'm curious as to what are considered to be
    > the plusses and minusses of each. I say this as one who has been using
    > SuperDuper! for quite a few years and as one who has no experience with
    > Carbon Copy Cloner.


    They both do the same thing. SuperDuper has some features you have to
    pay for that are free in Carbon Copy Cloner.

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    Lewis, Jan 29, 2011
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  10. TaliesinSoft <> wrote:

    > SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    > programs for the Macintosh. I'm curious as to what are considered to be
    > the plusses and minusses of each. I say this as one who has been using
    > SuperDuper! for quite a few years and as one who has no experience with
    > Carbon Copy Cloner.


    I avoid CCC since I used it to clone an OSX install, and all my
    permissions were screwed up afterwards (no app would launch as a
    result). But I've never had any troubles with SD.
    --
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    Jamie Kahn Genet, Jan 29, 2011
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  11. TaliesinSoft

    AV3 Guest

    On Jan/29/2011 2:0159 PM, Lewis wrote:
    > In message<>
    > TaliesinSoft<> wrote:
    >> SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    >> programs for the Macintosh.

    >
    > I'm sure thy are a distant second and third to Time Machine.
    >
    >> I'm curious as to what are considered to be
    >> the plusses and minusses of each. I say this as one who has been using
    >> SuperDuper! for quite a few years and as one who has no experience with
    >> Carbon Copy Cloner.

    >
    > They both do the same thing. SuperDuper has some features you have to
    > pay for that are free in Carbon Copy Cloner.
    >



    For me the important issue is making a _bootable_ backup, SD!'s
    advantage over TM.


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    AV3, Jan 29, 2011
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  12. TaliesinSoft

    TaliesinSoft Guest

    On 2011-01-29 13:01:59 -0600, Lewis said:

    [in response to my having stated]

    >> SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    >> programs for the Macintosh.

    >
    > I'm sure thy are a distant second and third to Time Machine.


    I tend to think of Time Machine as more of an archiving application
    instead of a backup application given that what it produces is not a
    bootable clone, and I am one that uses both SuperDuper! and Time
    Machine, each serving a somewhat different purpose.

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    TaliesinSoft, Jan 29, 2011
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  13. TaliesinSoft

    Nick Naym Guest

    In article ii0bqs$n7r$-september.org, Király at
    wrote on 1/29/11 1:24 AM:

    > TaliesinSoft <> wrote:
    >> SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    >> programs for the Macintosh. I'm curious as to what are considered to be
    >> the plusses and minusses of each. I say this as one who has been using
    >> SuperDuper! for quite a few years and as one who has no experience with
    >> Carbon Copy Cloner.

    >
    > For copying whole disks, I find SD easier to use, and the customer
    > support can't be beat. If I want to copy a disk but exclude some items,
    > I use CCC. I was never able to figure out how to do that with SD. SD's
    > whole "scripts" feature remains a mystery to me. With CCC it's a no
    > brainer.


    The SD User's Guide is OK...but appears to be written by a "techie." Techies
    tend to write the way they think, notwithstanding their intent to make it
    understandable to the non-techies. They simply lack the "general audience"
    perspective. The same can be said about the SD! UI -- though to a lesser
    extent.

    I struggled for a while to try to figure out how to copy some -- but by no
    means all -- items to a backup drive. (I had an old USB drive that was way
    too small to hold the contents of my machine -- too small to even hold my
    Home folder. All I wanted to do was keep a backup of my rather large
    Documents folder.) I was finally able to figure it out. But the "scripts
    feature" is not easy to use (until you do it once or twice -- and don't
    forget after he "once." ; ). In this particular instance, I found the Guide
    was helpful -- the UI sure wasn't.

    But I don't want to complain...notwithstanding these "shortcomings," the
    product is great, and Dave is without equal.




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    Nick Naym, Jan 30, 2011
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  14. TaliesinSoft

    Nick Naym Guest

    In article ii22li$a94$, AV3 at
    wrote on 1/29/11 5:00 PM:

    > On Jan/29/2011 2:0159 PM, Lewis wrote:
    >> In message<>
    >> TaliesinSoft<> wrote:
    >>> SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    >>> programs for the Macintosh.

    >>
    >> I'm sure thy are a distant second and third to Time Machine.
    >>
    >>> I'm curious as to what are considered to be
    >>> the plusses and minusses of each. I say this as one who has been using
    >>> SuperDuper! for quite a few years and as one who has no experience with
    >>> Carbon Copy Cloner.

    >>
    >> They both do the same thing. SuperDuper has some features you have to
    >> pay for that are free in Carbon Copy Cloner.
    >>

    >
    >
    > For me the important issue is making a _bootable_ backup, SD!'s
    > advantage over TM.
    >



    You really need both.

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    Nick Naym, Jan 30, 2011
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  15. TaliesinSoft

    nospam Guest

    In article <>, Lewis
    <> wrote:

    > > SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    > > programs for the Macintosh.

    >
    > I'm sure thy are a distant second and third to Time Machine.


    they're totally different than time machine. using both time machine
    and a cloning app is a very good idea.
     
    nospam, Jan 30, 2011
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  16. TaliesinSoft

    AV3 Guest

    On Jan/29/2011 9:0003 PM, Nick Naym wrote:
    > In article ii22li$a94$, AV3 at
    > wrote on 1/29/11 5:00 PM:
    >
    >> On Jan/29/2011 2:0159 PM, Lewis wrote:
    >>> In message<>
    >>> TaliesinSoft<> wrote:
    >>>> SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    >>>> programs for the Macintosh.
    >>>
    >>> I'm sure thy are a distant second and third to Time Machine.
    >>>
    >>>> I'm curious as to what are considered to be
    >>>> the plusses and minusses of each. I say this as one who has been using
    >>>> SuperDuper! for quite a few years and as one who has no experience with
    >>>> Carbon Copy Cloner.
    >>>
    >>> They both do the same thing. SuperDuper has some features you have to
    >>> pay for that are free in Carbon Copy Cloner.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> For me the important issue is making a _bootable_ backup, SD!'s
    >> advantage over TM.
    >>

    >
    >
    > You really need both.
    >



    What does a non-bootable backup have that is lacking in a bootable
    backup? Or, what advantage does TM have over SD!? Presuming that one
    uses either TM or SD! on a daily basis without much time difference in
    doing the job.


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    AV3, Jan 30, 2011
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  17. TaliesinSoft

    AES Guest

    In article <ii41m9$cft$>,
    AV3 <> wrote:

    >
    > What does a non-bootable backup have that is lacking in a bootable
    > backup? Or, what advantage does TM have over SD!? Presuming that one
    > uses either TM or SD! on a daily basis without much time difference in
    > doing the job.
    >


    If you mess up a data file or folder on your main machine (or the system
    itself messes up a file or folder), and you then do a backup of any kind
    (at least as the term "backup" is commonly employed), **your backup now
    also contains the _messed up_ data file or folder**! And, the original
    non-messed up file or folder is _gone, permanently_, from both places.)

    If you accidentally delete a data file or folder on your main machine
    (or the system somehow does this), and then do a backup of any kind (at
    least as the term "backup" is usually employed), the copy (or copies) of
    that file or folder that were on your backup are automatically removed
    also -- and so they're gone, permanently, from _both_ places.

    The above is what SD! _does_ -- at least, in its default operation, and
    especially if you make a clone -- and also basically what CCC does.

    If you don't want the above permanent losses of data or files to happen,
    you need to dig into the common interpretations of the terms "archive"
    and "synch" -- which have different meanings from "backup" -- and which
    can have fairly complex interpretations of what they actually do,
    depending on what you really ask for, or who's using these terms.

    And "bootable" vs "non-bootable" is actually an entirely separate story,
    more or less unrelated to the above terms.
     
    AES, Jan 30, 2011
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  18. TaliesinSoft

    nospam Guest

    In article <ii4vt1$s23$-september.org>, Wes Groleau
    <> wrote:

    > >>> SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    > >>> programs for the Macintosh.
    > >>
    > >> I'm sure thy are a distant second and third to Time Machine.

    > >
    > > they're totally different than time machine. using both time machine
    > > and a cloning app is a very good idea.

    >
    > But Time Machine _is_ a backup program,


    yes it is, but it's different than a bootable superduper clone.

    > and probably used more than SD! or CCC.


    maybe. nobody has actual numbers.
     
    nospam, Jan 30, 2011
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  19. TaliesinSoft

    Wes Groleau Guest

    On 01-30-2011 06:30, nospam wrote:
    > In article<>, Lewis
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>> SuperDuper! and Carbon Copy Cloner are likely the two most used backup
    >>> programs for the Macintosh.

    >>
    >> I'm sure thy are a distant second and third to Time Machine.

    >
    > they're totally different than time machine. using both time machine
    > and a cloning app is a very good idea.


    But Time Machine _is_ a backup program, and probably used more than
    SD! or CCC. If so, Lewis is correct.

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    Wes Groleau, Jan 31, 2011
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  20. TaliesinSoft

    Calum Guest

    On 30/01/11 01:55, Nick Naym wrote:

    > I struggled for a while to try to figure out how to copy some -- but by no
    > means all -- items to a backup drive.


    This is indeed a task that a disk cloning app like SuperDuper isn't
    particularly suited to. You really want more of a 'sync' app than a
    'clone' app for that. But as you found out, you can do it if you try
    hard enough.

    At one point a few years ago, SD used to properly preserve ACLs on files
    while CCC didn't. That may no longer be the case, and it's not
    particularly important for most people most of the time anyway.
     
    Calum, Jan 31, 2011
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