Printing black only on Canon inkjet

Discussion in 'Printing' started by John E., Oct 27, 2008.

  1. John E.

    John E. Guest

    I have used my Canon Pixma iP3000 inkjet (CMYK) printer as a black-only
    printer for the past 2 years or so. I never use color, and indeed, have the
    empty CMY cartridges in there, never having been replaced.

    The printer driver complains, regularly, that one or more are empty, and I
    simply remove and reinstall the empty cartridge and the printer goes right on
    printing black.

    Using the Canon driver, under Quality & Media I click the Grayscale checkbox,
    and I get a grayscale output.

    Using the same driver, if under Duplex Printing & Margins I check the
    Automatic Duplex Printing checkbox the resulting output is not grayscale, and
    any color elements on the page are missing.

    (I tried the Gutenprint driver for this printer and I can get no black-only
    grayscale output regardless of single-sided or duplex selection.)

    (I presume that the ability to print grayscale using black only is a bug in
    my printer's driver.)

    Is there any current model printer (well, sold in the last few years) that
    uses (or allows you to use) the K cartridge for black rather than compositing
    black from CMYK?

    This would be a great utility for someone to write! A program that would
    modify the printer driver that would allow for a selection of "grayscale
    using black only". I, for one, would pay for such a utility.

    (This is not about per-page cost -- it's pretty negligible: original cost:
    $50; ink $15 for a large-ish black cart. So, no, I don't want to trade this
    for a laser, thanks -- It's about how to get grayscale duplex printing using
    black only.)

    Ideas? Comments?

    Thanks,

    --
    John English
     
    John E., Oct 27, 2008
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  2. John E.

    J.J. O'Shea Guest

    On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:51:28 -0400, John E. wrote
    (in article <>):

    > I have used my Canon Pixma iP3000 inkjet (CMYK) printer as a black-only
    > printer for the past 2 years or so. I never use color, and indeed, have the
    > empty CMY cartridges in there, never having been replaced.
    >
    > The printer driver complains, regularly, that one or more are empty, and I
    > simply remove and reinstall the empty cartridge and the printer goes right on


    > printing black.
    >
    > Using the Canon driver, under Quality & Media I click the Grayscale checkbox,


    > and I get a grayscale output.
    >
    > Using the same driver, if under Duplex Printing & Margins I check the
    > Automatic Duplex Printing checkbox the resulting output is not grayscale, and


    > any color elements on the page are missing.
    >
    > (I tried the Gutenprint driver for this printer and I can get no black-only
    > grayscale output regardless of single-sided or duplex selection.)
    >
    > (I presume that the ability to print grayscale using black only is a bug in
    > my printer's driver.)
    >
    > Is there any current model printer (well, sold in the last few years) that
    > uses (or allows you to use) the K cartridge for black rather than compositing


    > black from CMYK?
    >
    > This would be a great utility for someone to write! A program that would
    > modify the printer driver that would allow for a selection of "grayscale
    > using black only". I, for one, would pay for such a utility.
    >
    > (This is not about per-page cost -- it's pretty negligible: original cost:
    > $50; ink $15 for a large-ish black cart. So, no, I don't want to trade this
    > for a laser, thanks -- It's about how to get grayscale duplex printing using
    > black only.)
    >
    > Ideas? Comments?
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    >


    Why should anyone go to that kind of trouble when there are monochrome lasers
    available for under US$120? See
    <http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=hl2140> for
    one example. The lasers are faster, their carts can print vastly more pages
    at under double the price of an inkjet cart (black ink for my inkjet: US$25.
    Toner cart for my laser: US$42) and for another US$30 or so you can get
    built-in networking, wired and wireless.
    <http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=hl2170W>

    The _only_ reason to have an inkjet is to be able to print in colour... and
    even there lasers are closing in for the kill. US$400 gets you this:
    <http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=HL4040CN>
    which is colour, a laser, _and_ does networking. There are inkjets out there
    which do less and cost more.

    --
    email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
     
    J.J. O'Shea, Oct 27, 2008
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  3. In article <>,
    J.J. O'Shea <> wrote:

    > On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:51:28 -0400, John E. wrote
    > (in article <>):
    >
    > > I have used my Canon Pixma iP3000 inkjet (CMYK) printer as a black-only
    > > printer for the past 2 years or so. I never use color, and indeed, have the
    > > empty CMY cartridges in there, never having been replaced.
    > >
    > > The printer driver complains, regularly, that one or more are empty, and I
    > > simply remove and reinstall the empty cartridge and the printer goes right
    > > on

    >
    > > printing black.
    > >
    > > Using the Canon driver, under Quality & Media I click the Grayscale
    > > checkbox,

    >
    > > and I get a grayscale output.
    > >
    > > Using the same driver, if under Duplex Printing & Margins I check the
    > > Automatic Duplex Printing checkbox the resulting output is not grayscale,
    > > and

    >
    > > any color elements on the page are missing.
    > >
    > > (I tried the Gutenprint driver for this printer and I can get no black-only
    > > grayscale output regardless of single-sided or duplex selection.)
    > >
    > > (I presume that the ability to print grayscale using black only is a bug in
    > > my printer's driver.)
    > >
    > > Is there any current model printer (well, sold in the last few years) that
    > > uses (or allows you to use) the K cartridge for black rather than
    > > compositing

    >
    > > black from CMYK?
    > >
    > > This would be a great utility for someone to write! A program that would
    > > modify the printer driver that would allow for a selection of "grayscale
    > > using black only". I, for one, would pay for such a utility.
    > >
    > > (This is not about per-page cost -- it's pretty negligible: original cost:
    > > $50; ink $15 for a large-ish black cart. So, no, I don't want to trade this
    > > for a laser, thanks -- It's about how to get grayscale duplex printing
    > > using
    > > black only.)
    > >
    > > Ideas? Comments?
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > >

    >
    > Why should anyone go to that kind of trouble when there are monochrome lasers
    > available for under US$120? See
    > <http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=hl2140> for
    > one example. The lasers are faster, their carts can print vastly more pages
    > at under double the price of an inkjet cart (black ink for my inkjet: US$25.
    > Toner cart for my laser: US$42) and for another US$30 or so you can get
    > built-in networking, wired and wireless.
    > <http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=hl2170W>
    >
    > The _only_ reason to have an inkjet is to be able to print in colour... and
    > even there lasers are closing in for the kill. US$400 gets you this:
    > <http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=HL4040CN>
    > which is colour, a laser, _and_ does networking. There are inkjets out there
    > which do less and cost more.


    Wow! I hadn't looked at Laser printers in a few years as I had no need
    to upgrade. And that color laser at that price? Un effing real!!

    Makes me glad I retired and quit selling this stuff on commission. :)
     
    Lloyd Parsons, Oct 27, 2008
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  4. John E.

    John E. Guest

    Thanks for the suggestions.

    > Why should anyone go to that kind of trouble when there are monochrome lasers


    > available for under US$120?


    A solution for you is not a solution for me. That's $120 I don't have to
    spend right now. I need a solution for making the inkjet print black-only
    grayscale.

    And because the inkjet does color, if and when I want it.

    So, anybody have an answer to my questions(s)?
    --
    John English
     
    John E., Oct 27, 2008
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  5. In article <>,
    John E. <> wrote:

    > Thanks for the suggestions.
    >
    > > Why should anyone go to that kind of trouble when there are monochrome
    > > lasers

    >
    > > available for under US$120?

    >
    > A solution for you is not a solution for me. That's $120 I don't have to
    > spend right now. I need a solution for making the inkjet print black-only
    > grayscale.
    >
    > And because the inkjet does color, if and when I want it.
    >
    > So, anybody have an answer to my questions(s)?


    Unless you have access to the sources for the printing system and
    drivers for your printer, you're more or less SOL. But you knew that,
    right?

    Got code?

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    Michael Vilain, Oct 28, 2008
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  6. John E.

    J.J. O'Shea Guest

    On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:24:49 -0400, Michael Vilain wrote
    (in article <>):

    > In article <>,
    > John E. <> wrote:
    >
    >> Thanks for the suggestions.
    >>
    >>> Why should anyone go to that kind of trouble when there are monochrome
    >>> lasers

    >>
    >>> available for under US$120?

    >>
    >> A solution for you is not a solution for me. That's $120 I don't have to
    >> spend right now. I need a solution for making the inkjet print black-only
    >> grayscale.
    >>
    >> And because the inkjet does color, if and when I want it.
    >>
    >> So, anybody have an answer to my questions(s)?

    >
    > Unless you have access to the sources for the printing system and
    > drivers for your printer, you're more or less SOL. But you knew that,
    > right?
    >
    > Got code?
    >
    >


    What he wants is for _someone else_ to hack into the drivers for a specific
    printer, a _four-year-old_ _photo printer_ no less, and rig it so that this
    specific device will not print colour. I suspect that it would be quite
    difficult to do this. It's a _photo printer_. It's _supposed_ to print
    colour! I don't see anyone doing anything for him. His best bet is exactly
    what I suggested: get a laser for monochrome output and just use the inkjet
    for colour output. It's what I do and it greatly simplifies life. Both my
    printers are on the network, so anyone in the building can print to them.
    I've had the laser for three years now, and the saving in inkjet ink carts
    that I didn't have to buy 'cause most documents were printed on the laser
    paid for it in the first six months. (Not at all difficult when black carts
    cost US$25 and colour carts cost US$30...)

    He can beat his head against the wall, or he can accept reality. His choice.

    --
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    J.J. O'Shea, Oct 28, 2008
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  7. Lloyd Parsons <> wrote:

    > In article <>,
    > J.J. O'Shea <> wrote:


    > > even there lasers are closing in for the kill. US$400 gets you this:
    > > <http://www.brother-usa.com/printer/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=HL4040CN>
    > > which is colour, a laser, _and_ does networking. There are inkjets out there
    > > which do less and cost more.

    >
    > Wow! I hadn't looked at Laser printers in a few years as I had no need
    > to upgrade. And that color laser at that price? Un effing real!!


    Um. You can get it for quite a bit less than that. That's list price.
    Staples has it for half of that at the moment. (Not a bad deal,
    actually).

    --
    Richard Maine | Good judgment comes from experience;
    email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
    domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain
     
    Richard Maine, Oct 28, 2008
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  8. In <>, Michael Vilain wrote:

    > Unless you have access to the sources for the printing system and
    > drivers for your printer, you're more or less SOL. But you knew that,
    > right?


    I'm not sure I understand. Does the printer use color when the stuff sent
    to print is grayscale only? Surely it wouldn't be too hard to convert
    everything sent to the particular print queue to grayscale.

    Or am I overlooking something obvious here?

    Cheers,

    -j

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    Jeffrey Goldberg, Oct 28, 2008
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  9. John E.

    TaliesinSoft Guest

    On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:54:23 -0500, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote (in article
    <>):

    [commenting in regards to the thread in which a question was raised in
    regards to printing grayscale with a Canon Pixma ip3000 CMYK printer]

    > Does the printer use color when the stuff sent to print is grayscale only?
    > Surely it wouldn't be too hard to convert everything sent to the
    > particular print queue to grayscale.


    I'm open to correction but I didn't think it was possible to produce a
    grayscale with only the black ink cartridge.


    --
    James Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas .....
     
    TaliesinSoft, Oct 28, 2008
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  10. In article <>,
    TaliesinSoft <> wrote:

    > I'm open to correction but I didn't think it was possible to produce
    > a grayscale with only the black ink cartridge.


    It depends on the printer; it's possible with at least some HP printers,
    but you have to manually choose it in the Print dialog. It might be
    possible with Applescript using GUI scripting.

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    Michelle Steiner, Oct 28, 2008
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  11. John E.

    Wes Groleau Guest

    J.J. O'Shea wrote:
    > Why should anyone go to that kind of trouble when there are monochrome lasers
    > available for under US$120? See


    Maybe because you can get a decent HP inkjet printer for WAY less
    and pay WAY less for the ink?

    HP Deskjets by the way, DO print grayscale well without color ink.
    And I don't remeber mine ever complaining that the color was out.

    --
    Wes Groleau

    Discipline without Stress, Punishments, or Rewards
    http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/russell?itemid=431
     
    Wes Groleau, Oct 29, 2008
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  12. John E.

    Wes Groleau Guest

    Jolly Roger wrote:
    > Have you considered adding a pre-print step to convert the content to
    > black & white or grayscale *before* you print it?


    Selecting Greyscale mode does that.
    Unfortunately, his complaint is that he has a printer
    that mixes color ink to do "gray"

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    Discipline without Stress, Punishments, or Rewards
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    Wes Groleau, Oct 29, 2008
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  13. Wes Groleau <> wrote:

    > J.J. O'Shea wrote:
    > > Why should anyone go to that kind of trouble when there are monochrome
    > > lasers available for under US$120? See

    >
    > Maybe because you can get a decent HP inkjet printer for WAY less
    > and pay WAY less for the ink?


    Your economics must be different from mine. I saved a nontrivial amount
    of money by trashing the HP inkjet my business used to have and
    replacing it with a Brother laser. Heck, the inkjet was costing so much
    in ink that our predecessors in the business were making bulk copies at
    Kinko's instead of printing them on the printer. Our costnumbers worked
    out to laser<Kinkos<inkJet. We not only saved a bundle by getting the
    laser, we also improved convenience and timeliness. That's because we
    can now print out current versions whenever we need something; with the
    Kinko's step, our predecessor's often used out-of-date versions until
    they used up the last bulk copy run.

    --
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    email: last name at domain . net | experience comes from bad judgment.
    domain: summertriangle | -- Mark Twain
     
    Richard Maine, Oct 29, 2008
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  14. John E.

    Wes Groleau Guest

    Richard Maine wrote:
    > Your economics must be different from mine. I saved a nontrivial amount
    > of money by trashing the HP inkjet my business used to have and
    > replacing it with a Brother laser. Heck, the inkjet was costing so much


    I've had three HP Deskjets and one Brother scanner/inkjet
    since June 2000. The HP that came with the iMac lasted the
    longest. The Brother only lasted three refills--the third black
    cartridge leaked and gummed up the printer.

    Each of them cost $25 to $35 U.S.

    Typical refill period for us is about three months.

    I looked at several lasers. Some had tempting prices until I saw that
    we'd have doubled or tripled our refill costs. (And yes, I _did_ read
    how many pages the cartridge claims to support.)

    --
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    Wes Groleau, Oct 29, 2008
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  15. Wes Groleau <> wrote:

    > I looked at several lasers. Some had tempting prices until I saw that
    > we'd have doubled or tripled our refill costs. (And yes, I _did_ read
    > how many pages the cartridge claims to support.)


    Well, whatever. I see about the same ratio, but the other way around. I
    also swear that the toner cartriges seem to last longer than the claims,
    while the inks are shorter. At least it seems that way to me. I
    regularly get a good 12,000 black pages out of the toner cartriges that
    claim 10,000.

    I don't understand how you can come up with laser refills costing more
    than inkjets. That's the biggest cost advantage of lasers. They tend to
    cost more up front, but rapidly make it up in consumable costs. At least
    that's what I see and what I thought was "common wisdom".

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    Richard Maine, Oct 29, 2008
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  16. John E.

    John E. Guest

    > "Color ink may be consumed even when printing a black-and-white
    > document or when black-and-white printing is specified."


    Thanks, Jeff, for quoting that.

    The driver for my iP3000 has been printing black-only grayscale for quite
    awhile. I think it's a bug because when you select Duplex printing all of a
    sudden it won't print black-only grayscale, and it misses much of the page
    content if the color cartridges are empty (as they have been for quite
    awhile).

    And what you say about other Pixmas tends to support this.

    I guess I'll just keep using this printer in single-sided mode until a good
    deal comes along on an HP inkjet (Wes G. says HPs print black-only
    grayscale...)

    Thanks again,
    --
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    John E., Oct 29, 2008
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  17. John E.

    John E. Guest

    > "Color ink may be consumed even when printing a black-and-white
    > document or when black-and-white printing is specified."


    Thanks, Jeff, for quoting that.

    The driver for my iP3000 has been printing black-only grayscale for quite
    awhile. I think it's a bug because when you select Duplex printing all of a
    sudden it won't print black-only grayscale, and it misses much of the page
    content if the color cartridges are empty (as they have been for quite
    awhile).

    And what you say about other Pixmas tends to support this.

    I guess I'll just keep using this printer in single-sided mode until a good
    deal comes along on an HP inkjet (Wes G. says HPs print black-only
    grayscale...)

    Thanks again,
    --
    John English
     
    John E., Oct 29, 2008
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  18. In <1ipjbl2.n5y6noibj5x8N%>, Richard Maine wrote:

    > Wes Groleau <> wrote:


    >> Maybe because you can get a decent HP inkjet printer for WAY less
    >> and pay WAY less for the ink?


    > Your economics must be different from mine. I saved a nontrivial amount
    > of money by trashing the HP inkjet my business used to have and
    > replacing it with a Brother laser.


    Me, too. I find Brother laser printers to be the most affordable choice
    for printing monochrome. We have one color inkjet that we only use for
    printing final drafts of things that need to be in color (my daughter's
    school reports mostly) and still I suspect that I'm paying more for
    ink/toner for that per year than on the laser printers.

    My big problem with one of the printers (Brother HL-2070N) is that every
    time it fires up (or even when it's just standing by) it will draw enough
    current to dim the lights in that part of the house. I've put the iMac in
    that room on a UPS with automatic voltage regulation.

    > Heck, the inkjet was costing so much
    > in ink that our predecessors in the business were making bulk copies at
    > Kinko's instead of printing them on the printer. Our costnumbers worked
    > out to laser<Kinkos<inkJet.


    One university that I know of forced computing resources to charge users
    more for laser printing than the university copy center charged for
    copies, even though the costs were the other way round.

    -j

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    Jeffrey Goldberg, Oct 29, 2008
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