Questions about the 10.3 upgrade

What data or information other than iTunes purchases is sent to Apple's
servers? Is there a way to opt out of "the cloud" with this upgrade?

--
tia

Neil

Neil Gould <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> What data or information other than iTunes purchases is sent to Apple's
> servers? Is there a way to opt out of "the cloud" with this upgrade?

What gives you the idea that iTunes is sending information about your
iTunes Store purchases to Apple? Apple already knows what has been
purchased from the iTunes Store with every Apple ID, since they supplied
the files to you in the first place.

The only change in this area is that iTunes 10.3 now offers a
"Purchased" link which lets you re-download previously purchased music,
as long as you are in a country where this feature has been activated
(may be US only so far).

It appears that all countries can re-downloaded purchased Apps and Books
via this mechanism. (At least, I can do these in New Zealand, which is
likely to be one of the last to get all features that involve licensing
negotiations with rights holders.)

A future version of iTunes (10.5), probably due in September to
November, will also offer an optional paid service called "iTunes Match"
which uploads information to iCloud about all of your music, and then
Apple can supply that music directly to your other devices (mostly from
their existing iTunes Store files, rather than having to copy all your
music up to iCloud).

If you don't want to use that service, then don't.

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David Empson
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David Empson wrote:
> Neil Gould <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> What data or information other than iTunes purchases is sent to
>> Apple's servers? Is there a way to opt out of "the cloud" with this
>> upgrade?
>
> What gives you the idea that iTunes is sending information about your
> iTunes Store purchases to Apple? Apple already knows what has been
> purchased from the iTunes Store with every Apple ID, since they
> supplied the files to you in the first place.
>
Their marketing jargon included in the notice about the 10.3 upgrade gave me
the impression that they were making the files on our iPod available to "all
of our other devices".

> A future version of iTunes (10.5), probably due in September to
> November, will also offer an optional paid service called "iTunes
> Match" which uploads information to iCloud about all of your music,
> and then Apple can supply that music directly to your other devices
> (mostly from their existing iTunes Store files, rather than having to
> copy all your music up to iCloud).
>
One bullet point in the description of 10.3 facilities included the above
capabilities, though I didn't see any mention of "iTunes Match". I have no
way to know whether it is true or not, but I presume that it is if Apple
claims that it is, and it has implications beyond music files, hence my
questions.

> If you don't want to use that service, then don't.
>
How does one disable that service in 10.3?

--
tia

Neil

Neil Gould <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> David Empson wrote:
> > Neil Gould <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >> What data or information other than iTunes purchases is sent to
> >> Apple's servers? Is there a way to opt out of "the cloud" with this
> >> upgrade?
> >
> > What gives you the idea that iTunes is sending information about your
> > iTunes Store purchases to Apple? Apple already knows what has been
> > purchased from the iTunes Store with every Apple ID, since they
> > supplied the files to you in the first place.
> >
> Their marketing jargon included in the notice about the 10.3 upgrade gave me
> the impression that they were making the files on our iPod available to "all
> of our other devices".
>
> > A future version of iTunes (10.5), probably due in September to
> > November, will also offer an optional paid service called "iTunes
> > Match" which uploads information to iCloud about all of your music,
> > and then Apple can supply that music directly to your other devices
> > (mostly from their existing iTunes Store files, rather than having to
> > copy all your music up to iCloud).
> >
> One bullet point in the description of 10.3 facilities included the above
> capabilities, though I didn't see any mention of "iTunes Match".

I don't see anything resembling that in the 10.3 features.

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1103

"Introducing iTunes in the Cloud beta. The music you purchase in iTunes
appears automatically on all your devices. You can also download your
past iTunes purchases. Where you want, when you want."

That's talking about iTunes Store purchases. Here come the bullet
points:

"Automatic Downloads. Purchase music from any device or computer and
automatically download a copy to your Mac and iOS devices. "

That is for new purchases from the iTunes Store.

"Download Previous Purchases. Download your past music purchases again
at no additional cost. Your purchases are available in the iTunes Store
on your Mac or in the iTunes app on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.
Previous purchases may be unavailable if they are no longer on the
iTunes Store."

That is for things previously purchased from the iTunes Store.

"iTunes 10.3 also adds Books to the iTunes Store, where you can discover
and buy your favorite books on your computer and automatically download
them to iBooks on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch."

Nothing to do with music.

"This version also allows you to use Automatic Downloads with apps and
books or download previously purchased apps and books from your computer
or iOS device."

Nothing to do with music.

That's it. No more features mentioned.

> I have no way to know whether it is true or not, but I presume that it is
> if Apple claims that it is, and it has implications beyond music files,
> hence my questions.
>
> > If you don't want to use that service, then don't.
> >
> How does one disable that service in 10.3?

It doesn't exist in 10.3 so there is nothing to disable.

In 10.5, it will be an opt-in feature for which you have to pay, so it
will be easy to not enable it.

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David Empson
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David Empson wrote:
> Neil Gould <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> How does one disable that service in 10.3?
>
> It doesn't exist in 10.3 so there is nothing to disable.
>
> In 10.5, it will be an opt-in feature for which you have to pay, so it
> will be easy to not enable it.
>
Thanks for your detailed explanation of the new feature set. Apparently, I
was over-reading Apple's message.

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best regards,

Neil

On Jun 17, 7:36*am, "Neil Gould" <n...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
> What data or information other than iTunes purchases is sent to Apple's
> servers? Is there a way to opt out of "the cloud" with this upgrade?
>
> --
> tia
>
> Neil

In short, the automatic features of 10.3 don't give Apple any info
they don't already have
and give you a lot of capabilities that you didn't have before.

The cloud (now) and iTunes Match (fall?) can allow Apple access to
your music library,
but this is completely at your discretion.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/06/a...-in-the-cloud/

There is some possibility that they could use this service to detect
illegally downloaded
content and turn that information over to the authorities, but they
probably wouldn't
risk the customer backlash.

-jc

jc wrote:
> On Jun 17, 7:36 am, "Neil Gould" <n...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
>> What data or information other than iTunes purchases is sent to
>> Apple's servers? Is there a way to opt out of "the cloud" with this
>> upgrade?
>>
>> --
>> tia
>>
>> Neil
>
> In short, the automatic features of 10.3 don't give Apple any info
> they don't already have
> and give you a lot of capabilities that you didn't have before.
>
> The cloud (now) and iTunes Match (fall?) can allow Apple access to
> your music library,
> but this is completely at your discretion.
> http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/06/a...-in-the-cloud/
>
> There is some possibility that they could use this service to detect
> illegally downloaded
> content and turn that information over to the authorities, but they
> probably wouldn't
> risk the customer backlash.
>
Thanks, jc, I think I'm getting the picture, now. I'll probably go ahead
with 10.3, I just have no interest in anybody's "cloud".

--
Neil

On Jun 21, 12:14*pm, "Neil Gould" <n...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
> jc wrote:
> > On Jun 17, 7:36 am, "Neil Gould" <n...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
> >> What data or information other than iTunes purchases is sent to
> >> Apple's servers? Is there a way to opt out of "the cloud" with this
> >> upgrade?
>
> >> --
> >> tia
>
> >> Neil
>
> > In short, the automatic features of 10.3 don't give Apple any info
> > they don't already have
> > and give you a lot of capabilities that you didn't have before.
>
> > The cloud (now) and iTunes Match (fall?) can allow Apple access to
> > your music library,
> > but this is completely at your discretion.
> >http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/06/a...-in-the-cloud/
>
> > There is some possibility that they could use this service to detect
> > illegally downloaded
> > content and turn that information over to the authorities, but they
> > probably wouldn't
> > risk the customer backlash.
>
> Thanks, jc, I think I'm getting the picture, now. I'll probably go ahead
> with 10.3, I just have no interest in anybody's "cloud".
>

The ability to re-download onto multiple computers/devices is
*extremely* handy.

Of course, you need OS 4.3 to use the service on your
iPhone/iPod Touch, and they just officially stopped
supporting my painfully slow 3G, so this was enough
to finally push me over the edge to replace it.

In other words, in my case, their marketing plan worked
very well.

-jc






> --
> Neil

jc wrote:
> On Jun 21, 12:14 pm, "Neil Gould" <n...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
>> Thanks, jc, I think I'm getting the picture, now. I'll probably go
>> ahead with 10.3, I just have no interest in anybody's "cloud".
>>
>
> The ability to re-download onto multiple computers/devices is
> *extremely* handy.
>
If no one liked the idea, Apple wouldn't put so many resources behind it!
However, I have no need for such "services", and have no interest in
"clouds", except when I'm flying. ;-) That's why I was concerned about the
"Apple iCloud beta" that was being promoted with 10.3.

--
Neil

Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article <itsks1$t3d$(E-Mail Removed)>,
> "Neil Gould" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> jc wrote:
>>> On Jun 21, 12:14 pm, "Neil Gould" <n...@myplaceofwork.com> wrote:
>>>> Thanks, jc, I think I'm getting the picture, now. I'll probably go
>>>> ahead with 10.3, I just have no interest in anybody's "cloud".
>>>>
>>>
>>> The ability to re-download onto multiple computers/devices is
>>> *extremely* handy.
>>>
>> If no one liked the idea, Apple wouldn't put so many resources
>> behind it! However, I have no need for such "services", and have no
>> interest in "clouds", except when I'm flying. ;-) That's why I was
>> concerned about the "Apple iCloud beta" that was being promoted with
>> 10.3.
>
> Like it or not, you use the "cloud" every day.
>
Using the "cloud" and having personal data in "the cloud" are not the same
thing. I couldn't care less that, for example, usenet might be in "the
cloud", but usenet has access only to that which I choose to share. OTOH, I
have a problem with an OS that presumes that it can upload whatever it wants
from a piece of equipment that I own. YMMV.

--
Neil